Windows 7 Beta

[joshuapohl]

I have installed the Windows 7 Beta and, so far, it is really cool. The interface changes still seem like deliberate copys from Leopard (honestly).

Is anyone else in the beta? What do you think?

[WiseHacker]

I think we are all tired of the old "who copied who" tale.  If you want to play that game, take it all the way to when Apple copied from Parc.

That set aside, how on earth did you get the Beta?  I though only the Microsoft TechNet members had access.

Is it in the Community Beta Program now?

I'm interested as I hear it runs faster than Vista.  This has me curious as Vista boots faster than XP because it presents you your desktop before some of the core services (like Networking) are even loaded.

[Jinto]

That set aside, how on earth did you get the Beta?  I though only the Microsoft TechNet members had access.

Is it in the Community Beta Program now?

The lastest version of the Windows 7 beta was leaked (intentionally or not) and can be found on torrents.  There was a article about it last week on engadget.

[joshuapohl]

Yeah, I was googling to find out if there was any information about a release date and a bunch of threads popped up bout the Beta and how easy it was to install. After I backed up some data - I took the plunge.

It definitely runs faster than Vista. I noticed that right from the first startup. It takes about 25 seconds for the login window to be displayed on my rig. It really fast coming out of sleep mode too.

It seems pretty stable to me. I am not having any problems.

[WiseHacker]

Oh, the leaked version.  I think I'll wait.

But it's good to hear that Windows 7 is turning out fine.  Not that I don't know already.

[Keizuki]

I think we are all tired of the old "who copied who" tale.  If you want to play that game, take it all the way to when Apple copied from Parc.

iirc, Xerox thought it wasn't worth it and gave it to Apple.

Can't really call it stealing when they genuinely thought it was useless and GAVE IT AWAY for nothing. But you can say they did it first.

I'm interested as I hear it runs faster than Vista.  This has me curious as Vista boots faster than XP because it presents you your desktop before some of the core services (like Networking) are even loaded.

If it loads the networking stuff after the desktop it's not really faster, it just appears to be.
Changing the load order != faster OS.

If Win 7 performs better doing important stuff like using applications, playing games (DX) etc, and not having to be constantly pissed off by UAC alert boxes and the screen being darkened and blocking me from taking other actions unless I do something with the alert box, which is hardly ever important enough to warrant an immediate response. Then I'll give a score out of 10. The amount of time it takes to boot is hardly a decent indicator of the quality of the OS.

[joshuapohl]

Nope. The annoying alert boxes still exist.

[WiseHacker]

Come on guys!  You can turn UAC off.  If you couldn't turn it off *then* you'd have something to worry about.

[Keizuki]

Come on guys!  You can turn UAC off.  If you couldn't turn it off *then* you'd have something to worry about.

Yeah, potentially kill MS's much hyped 'more secure' OS by turning off the main thing that stops unauthorized apps running and installing themselves.

I consider it a necessary evil at this point. Although as I'm not an idiot when it comes to computers I could turn it off and not have any problems whatsoever. But why should I? I WANT a more secure and safer OS. Admittedly XP didn't have a firewall till SP2 and we all survived alright before that to some extent. But at least the firewall doesn't expect me to say 'well done, you found something nasty trying to hurt me' every time I browse to a new web page.

Anyway, back to Win 7. Any updates to DX in terms of performance and the OS for that matter. Thinking of Crysis on Vista with 3GB, Q6600, and 2x 8600GS and it just about runs on med graphics settings. And the whole shambles of installing games, sometimes there appear in the start menu sometimes they appear in the new game folder. Any resolution on that?

[WiseHacker]

Yeah, potentially kill MS's much hyped 'more secure' OS by turning off the main thing that stops unauthorized apps running and installing themselves.

Er, I leave that sort of detection to my firewall, Kaspersky.  While it is try that UAC can stop attacks, and some have even praised it for doing so, I will never like UAC as it's implemented to the wrong way.

Personally, UAC is just there for those too damn lazy to not be administrators all the time.  As I said before, when I installed Vista, I created an admin account, I then created a standard user account (no rights to modify the system), then I stopped using the Admin account.

It's a simple and easy method to lock the system down and if I do get attacked, at least I can simply restore my files from a back and not have to restore the whole OS.

Vista's new security features (non-UAC) are also in the architecture of the OS, not in UAC.

[haunted_i]

The kernel improvements are nice, and there's even talk of adopting a few more open standards, though it makes Steve Ballmer vomit a little in his mouth.
Now if they'd only do something about the inconsistent interface! Aero is just wasteful glitter, especially the animation for file copy/delete operations. I may have a skewed perspective, though. My iMac's XP partition uses the classic interface, but it only exists to play Supreme Commander and Mass Effect.

[Keizuki]

... but it only exists to play Supreme Commander and Mass Effect.

Same, but replace those with Counter-Strike: Source and BF2.

I may actually use my Windows PC to play WoW to make up for the lost performance on my MacBook Pro due to the vast quantities of lag. There's so much lag I've renamed Dalaran to Dalalag. I'm hoping my Windows PC' extra power might compensate for it somewhat, even if it doesn't everything will look nicer since I can turn all the video options to full / max. ^^,

[haunted_i]

I would think any Macbook Pro is more than adequate for WoW. Is there a myriad array of add-ons slowing you down?

[aprendiz]

do you know if there's any clue about the system requirements it will have? and when is it supposed to come out?

thanks

PS: and if you know which softwares aren't gonna work properly it'd be very coll to know

[Jinto]

Current reports are that 7 will run on machines that could not run vista, so if you meet the requirements of vista you're sitting pretty.