DC Writers Ruining Comics?

[Sorena]

Which is what's stupid. They're ruining their own fame. People only buy this crap to see what stupid stun they've pulled next. Then the comic gets thrown to the side.

They know people will buy to read the horrible mess so they just slap down on paper anything their screwed up minds can think of, without thinking of what's going to have to be done to fix their lovely pile of sh*t.

Then of course after it's all done we have to sit here and read about everything being fixed. It's annoying how they keep making things go round and round in circles. Can we just get a forward line going here and stop killing people off and bringing them back and killing them off and bringing them back?

A carousel ride is fun for the first few times around but after that it gets boring and you just want to get off the ride.

After a while people are going to get tired of reading the garbage the comic companies' writers produce and will stop even buying the comics. They'll just flip through them and sit them back on the shelf.

[kospowinc]

A carousel ride is fun for the first few times around but after that it gets boring and you just want to get off the ride.

After a while people are going to get tired of reading the garbage the comic companies' writers produce and will stop even buying the comics. They'll just flip through them and sit them back on the shelf.

you're right, there will be a day when readers will be fed up and stop buying the popular titles.  hopefully, that will wake up those editors and writers that green-light these ideas.  that's going to take a while though. 

i lost my enjoyment for carousel rides when i was a wee tot.  the only fun i find in them now is the scary freaking faces that are on those animals. 

has anyone checked out some of the "indy" books?  i've gotten into "the goon" and "fear agent".  they're both dark horse, which is a dc division, but the books aren't cookie-cutter stories. 

[Vman]

The first few issues of Atomic Robo published by Red 5 comics have been pretty good so far and what's kin dof cool is it started out as a webcomic if that counts as indy. A mob of nazis trying to bring a robot down by tackloing him while eh's lost in their base is worth a look and a giggle.

[OrcishIncubus]

from a business perspective though, it's selling.  why mess with a good thing?  a good thing being pools filled with money to swim in during lunch and not good stories.

But for how much longer will that last, eh?

Not forever.

[kospowinc]

from a business perspective though, it's selling.  why mess with a good thing?  a good thing being pools filled with money to swim in during lunch and not good stories.

But for how much longer will that last, eh?

Not forever.

no, i can't last forever.  it just takes time to change it, and it might be more time than any of us would like to see.

[Vman]

I thought this was an interesting pattern worth giving some note to. BElwo are two descriptions for comics published by DC comics.

OUTSIDERS #23 - published in 2005
Written by Judd Winick
Art by Shawn Moll & Kevin Conrad
Cover by Doug Mahnke
Guest artists Shawn Moll and Kevin Conrad come aboard for "Lockdown" - a story only acclaimed writer Judd Winick could tell! The Outsiders are trapped in their own headquarters as they try to uncover the traitor in their midst. What happens when seven trapped super-heroes stop being polite and start getting real?

TITANS #8 - coming in December 2008
Written by Judd Winick
Art and cover by Howard Porter
There's a traitor in the Titans' midst, and the entire Tower is under lockdown until the team can discover which member could betray them. The problem is, there's no real way to investigate, since the traitor is now a sleeper agent!

Notice a trend? It's like they're on a big track or something round and round they go.

[w!ng-w!ng]

incidentally, i kinda feel like blaming writers is halfway a cop out.  I mean, how many people realise how great a title Firestorm was before it was cancelled?  I mean, Dwayne McDuffie is a brilliant writer (he's doing JLA these days) yet it was the fans (i.e. the ones unwilling to accept a new Firestorm after Ronnie Raymond) who pretty much dictated how much the book was selling (i.e. not enough).

sure, there are some pretty half-ass writing jobs out there (All Star Batman & Robin the Boy Wonder, anyone?) but there's gotta be some reason the poorly written ones are outselling the hidden drops of genius.  Saying DC writers are ruining comics is a massive sweeping generalisation that's not entirely true.

[kospowinc]

incidentally, i kinda feel like blaming writers is halfway a cop out.  I mean, how many people realise how great a title Firestorm was before it was cancelled?  I mean, Dwayne McDuffie is a brilliant writer (he's doing JLA these days) yet it was the fans (i.e. the ones unwilling to accept a new Firestorm after Ronnie Raymond) who pretty much dictated how much the book was selling (i.e. not enough).

sure, there are some pretty half-ass writing jobs out there (All Star Batman & Robin the Boy Wonder, anyone?) but there's gotta be some reason the poorly written ones are outselling the hidden drops of genius.  Saying DC writers are ruining comics is a massive sweeping generalisation that's not entirely true.

you're right.  if a book doesn't sell, it doesn't get published.  it's difficult to get a fledgling writer's book into the public eye.  publishers don't want to spend the big bucks on promotion if there's a chance at little to no return on the investment. 

i don't agree with the half-ass writing of the goddam all star batman & robin, though.  it's not miller's best stuff, but it's throwing a new spin on the character.  i think he's trying to take the icon and put a real-world spin on it.  how would a billionaire that dresses in a costume at night to fight crime really act?  there's got to be a little crazy going on in the noggin to take on that kind of role and arrogance at the same time.  that's my take on it at least.  i think it could use some tweaking, but i can see where he's coming from.

[w!ng-w!ng]

incidentally, i kinda feel like blaming writers is halfway a cop out.  I mean, how many people realise how great a title Firestorm was before it was cancelled?  I mean, Dwayne McDuffie is a brilliant writer (he's doing JLA these days) yet it was the fans (i.e. the ones unwilling to accept a new Firestorm after Ronnie Raymond) who pretty much dictated how much the book was selling (i.e. not enough).

sure, there are some pretty half-ass writing jobs out there (All Star Batman & Robin the Boy Wonder, anyone?) but there's gotta be some reason the poorly written ones are outselling the hidden drops of genius.  Saying DC writers are ruining comics is a massive sweeping generalisation that's not entirely true.

you're right.  if a book doesn't sell, it doesn't get published.  it's difficult to get a fledgling writer's book into the public eye.  publishers don't want to spend the big bucks on promotion if there's a chance at little to no return on the investment. 

i don't agree with the half-ass writing of the goddam all star batman & robin, though.  it's not miller's best stuff, but it's throwing a new spin on the character.  i think he's trying to take the icon and put a real-world spin on it.  how would a billionaire that dresses in a costume at night to fight crime really act?  there's got to be a little crazy going on in the noggin to take on that kind of role and arrogance at the same time.  that's my take on it at least.  i think it could use some tweaking, but i can see where he's coming from.

well i'm a big Frank Miller head myself and had high expectations for All Star Batman & Robin but there's no denying the fact that the writing was ATROCIOUS!  i mean, EVERYONE knows there's a little bit of crazy in Batman's head (Darwyn Cooke did it right with Ego) but the dialogue in All Star was just ridiculously unbelievable and reminded me of a horrible western.  the idea was great but the execution was disastrous.

[nikita]

I revisit my previous statement in this thread:

Wait, didn't Marvel already do this with the Civil War series?

Not saying DC's any better (though, I gotta admit, they're doing better to me than Marvel is right now >_>), but Civil War was some of the poorest, badly written trite bullshit I've ever read; and it left lasting effects on the Marvel Universe (Seriously, Captain America? Seriously?!)

Though, to bounce back, All-Star Batman and Robin is fucking terrible.  I haven't read a DC comic since Infinite Crisis came out.

[kospowinc]

Though, to bounce back, All-Star Batman and Robin is fucking terrible.  I haven't read a DC comic since Infinite Crisis came out.

then how do you know it's terrible if you haven't read DC since infinite crisis?

[nikita]

Though, to bounce back, All-Star Batman and Robin is fucking terrible.  I haven't read a DC comic since Infinite Crisis came out.

then how do you know it's terrible if you haven't read DC since infinite crisis?

Haven't read it as in haven't read it in it's entirety.  The bit of it i did read gave me enough reason to not want to continue.

[Vman]

DC sat down and put a time traveling bulet into one of their most storylines. Sorry but thats just a dumb idea.

For the record Marvel's writers aren't much better if at all.

[w!ng-w!ng]

DC sat down and put a time traveling bulet into one of their most storylines. Sorry but thats just a dumb idea.

For the record Marvel's writers aren't much better if at all.

personally, i like the idea of the time travelling bullet.  the execution still has yet to prove itself to me though (so far Final Crisis has me confused).

so far, it looks like Barry Allen is back, the New Gods are dead, Darseid and all of Apokolips is now human and the Green Lanterns have gone nuts.  just another day at the office?

[Vman]

DC sat down and put a time traveling bulet into one of their most storylines. Sorry but thats just a dumb idea.

For the record Marvel's writers aren't much better if at all.

personally, i like the idea of the time travelling bullet.  the execution still has yet to prove itself to me though (so far Final Crisis has me confused).

so far, it looks like Barry Allen is back, the New Gods are dead, Darseid and all of Apokolips is now human and the Green Lanterns have gone nuts.  just another day at the office?

I'll give them that the idea could have been interesting. But it was just badly executed which is pretty much how everything in the Final Crisis has been up to now. They're jumping around too much while trying to cover too many angles.

I lost all i nterest in it when Jimmy Olsen was put up for membership in the Justice League. No. Just no.