Eve

[DougofTheAbaci]

I'm still working on getting people to help me tackle the meaning of live and the purpose of man...

[Quiksilvr]

the meaning of life and the purpose of man varies.. each person's purpose is different from another's... and the meanin for their life differ's as well... (still this forum gets deeper) but the backing for all of this thinking is mainly started in religion.

come to think of it..
i think we should move this discussion to another forum.. away from "eve" post.. and into another forum topic area...

but anywho.. eve is deffinitly different from the regular thought of a robot... having to have some sort of emotion drived by somehing within her. and that something i think is the "secret"

but that's just me!

[Kron]

I don't think that this thread should be moved away from 'Eve'. This isn't only a discussion of humanity: It's a discussion of sapience itself, and how that pertains to our Mac-girl robot. 

[DougofTheAbaci]

I don't think that this thread should be moved away from 'Eve'. This isn't only a discussion of humanity: It's a discussion of sapience itself, and how that pertains to our Mac-girl robot. 

No worries, there is a thread about the meaning of life, the universe and everything now.

I wonder what other hidden powers Eve has or will have now that Hawk is rebuilding her.

[Kron]

I don't think Hawk will build ANY improvements. I think he'll fix her and try to keep her that way.

I think that Eve's little 'computation' she did before her encounter with Frost is probably gonna help them soon. Maybe she transfered some of Wilder Industries Assets to Hawk's disposal. 

[tfcewan]

of course he will. Inventors always improve on their own inventions.

And i believe Eve just brought their system down and thats it. Like maybe turn their windows system to a new Tiger OS or something.. wait.. that wouldn't be bringin their system down.. hahahaha

Anyway, since Eve is a self-learning kind of AI. I think she'd improve herself on her own. Probably maybe give herself bigger boobs. Aside from that, i think Hawk will give her a better energy shield, more control over her energy outbursts and other lil things that are needed to be done. Maybe she might be able to transform into a Mac Bike.. i-Bike... mmm.. or and i-Plane. i-glider.

"Transform and Roll Out!"

[magalicious]

You forgot grief and regret.

At the end of the day she simply hasn't learned all emotions yet or how to express them. In time she most likely will. She's a very intuitive robot.

Yep - remember, everything is new to her.  Each situation is new, as are the particular shades of emotion the situation brings.  She's a child expected to act like an adult.  With every little thing that happens, she learns what emotional response she experiences and how to respond to it in a socially acceptable way.  What is death?  How should she respond to 'not existing'?  How does this affect her treatment of other people?  What might this mean about responses to other hypothetical situations?  etc.
And seeing as our thought processes and emotions are triggered by a mathematic sequence of neurons firing, a sophisticated AI such as Eve probably has a very similar process happening.  We are biological machines; She's a technological machine;  the only point of contention is a 'soul'.  Does it even exist?  Is it something a machine can't have, even if it works like a human?
If a machine feels like a human, acts like a human, forms attachments like a human, is it still less than human?
Man.  I made myself want to watch the Animatrix.

[Kron]

I think that Eve has a soul.

I define a soul as the inborn system of drives that act as the precursor to morals. Whether we are taught to or not, everyone subconsciously regrets (whether to a small or large extent) hurting other people. This is the instinctive part of human moral systems. It's also a fundamental part of the concept we call 'humanity'.

It's pretty obvious that Eve has this...

[DougofTheAbaci]

What is a soul/life other than the base chemical reactions to certain situations?

[Blarghus H. Blargh]

What is a soul/life other than the base chemical reactions to certain situations?

That question is exactly why these discussions are so much fun.  There are so many possibilities, such a question can NEVER be answered in full.

[Shmi]

Well, not for a while at least. Not never.

[DougofTheAbaci]

We already know that what people do is just chemical reactions in the body. Theoretically we could judge a person's action perfectly if we could map their chemical balance. It's the same with a computer in that way, if you know how the program is designed you can predict what it's going to do.

[Shmi]

They say if you could determine the exact position and velocity of every atom in the universe at the exact same time you could predict anything that will happen. But that's currently impossible.

[magalicious]

They say if you could determine the exact position and velocity of every atom in the universe at the exact same time you could predict anything that will happen. But that's currently impossible.

Determinist.   
I may be a horrible romantic, but I don't think that even science is able to predict everything people will do, no matter how much it takes in to account.  We may be biological machines, but we still have infinite choice.

[Tsukaggin]

Three words.

Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.