… is bumming me out. Are we really back to this nonsense?? This is like watching Seasons 1 and 2 happen all over again, only in emo-vision.
THEORY: SEASON 4 ENDS WHEN GALACTUS EATS THE FLEET
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I gotta say, I kinda like them showing everyone falling apart post-Earth (not to mention Dee, that stopped me in my tracks)… But yeah, they need to rally soon. We need a decent conflict. Like… Hello? Where’s Cavil?
Yeah, I think my problem is the decent conflict you mentioned … more infighting is the last thing this show needs. All the interesting internal fleet politics got taken care of in the first 2 seasons …
Exactly, it is like they’re undoing all the progress that was made in an unnatural fashion, especially with respect to Zarek. I mean they did a fair amount of development on Zarek in such a short amount of time and then, suddenly, undid it. Now, that said, it would have been awesome writing if the implication of Zarek being “still Zarek” would have been there the whole time.
You know, similar to the fashion that it was obvious that Apollo’s heart wasn’t in following his old man and that Thrace was the real son.
Yeah … everyone made nice and suddenly they were all working together. I guess I was thinking it was going to be a season of adventure and exploration? There’s still time …
I know! Felix makes me cry though. Oh yeah, can’t forget about the, “ZOMG! P33pl3s r Cylons!! And now they are t3h preggors!!!! ph333333333r!!”
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Yeah, I feel bad for Felix … and they all seem a little out of character.
Yeah, I just want to bitch slap him right now. Whiney lil prick.
Felix is totally off his game, but I can see it, a bit, in what happened to him. But, ever since the election and the occupation, as well as his being unrecognized for what he could do during the occupation, it’s like his soul got tainted or crushed.
He hits me like someone who lost his faith in anyone and everyone that he had previously respected; basically, Roslin dropped the ball right on the fragile vase that was Gaeta’s spirit.
I’m inclined to think you missed the webisodes based on your comments, but I could be wrong. If you haven’t seen them, check them out, they help explain the “new” gaeta a bit.
Its depressing, I will agree. I’m just hoping that it will really pick up after the next episode and finish with a huge bang. It would be the nicest way to go out, I think.
I agree with Ponk, watching everything kind of fall apart post Earth seems very true to human nature. There only hope smashed before their eyes, very disheartening stuff. The internal strife does seem a little overdone. You’d think at this point the fleet would be willing to accept almost anything that kept them alive for a little while longer, even forming an alliance with their worst enemies. I can’t believe Felix is leading a mutiny, apparently his common sense was located in his lower right leg. And just for the record, you’d think at this point, everyone would realize Admiral Adama knows best!
I haven’t seen the episode yet. Infighting doesn’t surprise me. They found Earth. A dead Earth. Evidence that the 13th colony was Cylon from the beginning. Does anyone seriously expect people not to fight among themselves when their entire world view is turned upside down?
I really, really hope that there is a big pay off, truly, as they’ve turned Gaeta into a bitch and Dee blew her brains, which was totally (in my view) out of character. She was one of the stronger folk around, which could explain some of the breaking, but still….
…there better be a damn pay off, or else they just pissed in my bucket of awesome sauce and I’m less than happy about that.
The way in which she committed suicide actually didn’t seem wrong to me at all, but yeah … it was weird. Who knows …
The act its self was very Dee, her path down to the moment, but her path to the choice, I think, is what broke out of character; know what I mean?
I get the way she did it, how she spent her time before it, but the direct motivation for the choice just seemed a weaker moment and act for a character who, thus far, has shown more steel in purpose that most folk, save for Adama, himself.
Ughh. I wish they would hurry things along, if you take out half of the moaning going on you could accomplish in one episode the amount of plot for three.
Also Starbuck is starting to getting my nerves. I don’t care if she is cylon, human or the grim reaper just someone please slap her.
Hahahahaha
Knowing the writers if Galactus did eat the fleet, it would be just after they escaped from MIng the Merciless.
Haha!
I dunno why…but I really hope doctor who pops up correcting everything…. I can dream.
If only. If only …
I’m also finding it hard to watch, but it does show how easy it is to manipulate the masses into action that is counter productive to own self interests. I would think by now there should have been some ugly *itches ragging on the hot cylons and fan boys coming out of the closets (not like gaeta)to touch a 6 or 8. Xena is too much woman for them all.
Maybe the writers are breaking us down then bam it turns out that cylons actually live off candy and everyone goes to the candy factory planet and live happily ever after.
CANDYLAND WAS THE TRUE PROPHECY
Not Candy land, CANDY MOUNTAIN. (Galactus is just shunning all the non believers with his shennanagins)
I jumped onto the BSG wagon late. Got caught up on all the seasons in a couple weeks and I can honestly say that this latter half of the “season” feels like season 2 all over again. (It also feels like the live action plot of a DBZ episode – 2 hours to explain 10 minutes.)
For a show that only has 7 more episodes, I’m astounded that they would resort to a “filler” episode like they did this week. What? Do the writers feel it’s necessary to spell everything out just in case there are new watchers? C’mon! They’re dealing with devoted fans here. If new people are interested, they’ll pick up the DVDs.
I just wish the writers would be honest and say, “Yep, you caught us. We only had enough content for the mini-series and the first half of season 1. We never thought it would get picked back up, so we’ve just been making it up as we go.”
Whatever.
Kara’s the fifth cylon and the XO’s “new” love interest is really his old one. Wait and see.
Actually, the writers have clearly stated in interviews that they are making it up as they go along. The concept of the “Final Five” was invented in the middle of the third season, to explain why Baltar wouldn’t see all the models when he was living on the Cylon base ship.
Also, the Fifth Cylon reveal is to be taken as fact. Kara is not the Fifth Cylon.
If Galactus were to eat the fleet, I would watch that show religiously.
I know, right???
So basically…neoBSG has hit its ‘1980′ phase now? Have they introduced the invisible Vipers, flying motorcycles, and the ‘child genius’ that’s giving the sage advice yet?
my theory..seeing how fracked up the creator is….EVERYON’S AN EFFING CYLON AND THE HUMNAAN RACE DIED YEARS AGO..atleast..it would be just like them to pull that crap on us. -.-
your mom is a cylon! (sorry couldn’t resist)
yeah had that coming..but seriously the way they are playing this out that cylons can give birth now…i think they are goint to wait to the last episode and go..”psyche! everyones a cylon.” ooh there will be so many angry fans if they did that.
There is only one Battlestar Galactica series as far as I’m concerned and it has Lorne Greene in it.
i agree with you completely good sir *nods*
I don’t *fully* agree with you, but I’m definitely going to have to tip my hat to you on that one.
The writers fail to realize that people can adapt to the most severe of circumstances. being surrounded by Hollywood loons who cant “survive” without their creature comforts have colored their perspective. Most people are reasonable. Look at WW2 the soldiers suffered far worse conditions then the civilians aboard the fleet without mass suicides or revolts. Basically the writers are idiots and so are the characters they write about. The only reason I watch this series is for the cool battle scenes and CG which are far and few between.
People can adapt, that’s true. But there is a limit. Exhaustion is a powerful force. There are people, Army Rangers, extreme athletes who succumb to a survival situation within days.
You’ve heard of shell shock? PTSD? Everyone on that ship is or should be suffering from one or the other. The human body has limits, you can only function so long in a high stress situation like manning the last human warship ever. Throw in being strung along for years and then finding everything to be a failure. You could argue that WWII soldiers suffered worse conditions (possible, but I’d say apples and oranges) but assuming you can compare WWII is not the right comparison. Most of the soldiers weren’t in combat zones or high stress situations for as long as the BSG fleet. A better comparison would be the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan, constant pressure, many low intensity conflicts, a few high intensity ones, and the fact that you have to go out there again and again with only the faintest hope.
Guess what, military suicides have gone up in the current conflicts.
Seems those writers are smarter than you thought. If you want space battles go watch Babylon 5, everyone there is an ubermensch.
I was just surprised that KFC would actually market something called the Frak Pak.
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Honestly I shouldn’t be as surprised as I am about this current season. I didn’t see the interview, however I figured the whole “they have a plan” thing was BS towards sometime in Season 2 IIRC. It seams like the good shows that I start out as a fan of, then start to get annoyed with (eg. Heroes and BSG) are just made up as they go along. Yes it can make for some good twists and turns, but later on it become obvious they’re full of shit when they’re having a hard time keeping all thos plot balls in the air. Babylon 5 was good in that there was an overall set plan and lots of foreshadowing of stuff in the first season that didn’t come to fruition until the fourth.
I will admit that I’ve missed Season 4, but that’s in my NetFlix queue. I’ve seen the past two episodes of BSG and I’ve been dissapointed. There are some obivious things that I’ve missed, but I don’t thing it was too drastic. These people failing at the seams is really annoying. I can see Roslin loosing it and the civilians rioting, but every single character acting like they’re on drugs is just too much. I do think it’s about time that Admrial Adama and Roslin frak, however I think the way they got there was lame.
I wasn’t expecting their arival to Earth to be such a let down. I was expecting there to be either our current IRL civilization or a slightly futuristic civilization that’s space-faring, but still some drama with the Colonials and Cylons making themselves a home there. This post-nuclear-genocide of a Cylon colony called Earth is weak. Now really all they need to do is go back to one of the habitable planets they passed by.
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And they better do a good job of tieing up the plot of WTF is with the final five and the fact they’re models from a dead 2000 y/o Cylon colony. If “it’s all happend before and will happen again”, then fraking don’t repeat your dumbass mistakes!!!
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Man, it sounds like everyone is unhappy with it! I guess the only thing to do now is watch and wait … ;_;
I’m actually enjoying it. The show’s concept is incredibly dark so I don’t understand wtf you guys are complaining about, you signed on to a show that started out as 40k survivors from tens of billions, who are pursued through the empty blackness of space by unkillable robots. How can you possibly complain about the show being too dark? These people only kept from offing themselves thanks to the promise of Earth at the start of the show, and after the epic failure of New Caprica Earth was really the only tiny shred of hope they had. So of course everyone is falling apart at the seems, they have no hope left.
Huh, that’s a good point … !
Y’know, I agree that I don’t like the way it’s gone so far, it really does seem, as other have said, like it’s just re-hashing seasons 1-2 to me, only now it’ll be “the revolters are among us”, instead of cylons.
That being said, knowing the way people are in real life, I don’t find the reaction in BSG so overwhelmingly unbelievable. Basically, these 40k-plus people have grown too accustomed to living the way they have for the last 4 years. Sure, they were being chased by the cylons (and still are being chased by some of them supposedly), but Roslin and the Old Man have gone above and beyond in making their remnants of the human race still feel civilized and like they matter, as if they were more at this opint than just breeding stock.
Seriously, look at some of the ships we’ve seen the inside of. If I recall, one looked like a very well-maintained civic garden under a blue sky, with people going around on a Sunday stroll. Of course, every so often we see civilian fleet members, and they look like refugees, but that seems more for show than anything. The reality is the fleet could have, and should have, been under martial law the whole time. Although that would have to have been done carefully, with 48,000 people in such limited space, it’s the way it normally would be handled.
“The show’s concept is incredibly dark so I don’t understand wtf you guys are complaining about…”
Which explains DC Comics’ recent descent into 24/7 gore and general ugliness.
Darkness in literature has to be counterbalanced by some kind of hope for renewal or it’s just grindingly tedious. I think this is why even the hardest of the metal bands always throw in a ballad or two to break up the monotony of discord and death.
The trick to BSG is that it starts out almost immediate at the BOTTOM of the despair curve and then shows people surviving and fighting against odds to find a new home. It’s the hope that at the end there will be, if not a happy ending, at least a sensible one.
The problem with the new BSG is that they kind of did that – and then pulled the rug out from under everyone’s feet. If they’d done that at the end of season two – and spent the next two seasons recovering, that would be ok.
But they did it half way through the last season and it looks like there’s no hope left.
Unless you’re kind of messed up – watching 38,000 humans and an indeterminate number of Cylons slowly descend into oblivion isn’t really entertaining. (Gods – it shouldn’t be – if it is, get some help soon – you’re probably the kind of person who enjoys pulling wings off flies or burning ants with a magnifying glass.)
It’s that old cliche, ‘The night is darkest before the dawn’.
What would you have the plot be? The humans defending Earth from Cavil’s fleet? Only to turn the tide and win with the help of the ‘good’ Cylons and some bad ass flying by Starbuck? That’s just space porn.
And yeah, watching humanity descend into oblivion as a work of literature interests the hell out of me, and no I don’t need help. I don’t give a damn if they succeed or fail, I care that they fight. BSG is about the human condition. If success for you is assured survival then you’re going to fail, we’re all shuffling off this mortal coil one way or the other. What counts is what we do while we shuffle, likewise with the Galactica. They could jump straight into a star, what matters is that they lived and fought and made the attempt. That’s what interests me.
So you can get off your self-righteous horse some of us are interested in humanity in all it’s ugly glory. That doesn’t mean we pull the wings off flies.
Um, I’m sorry, but isn’t the DEFINITION of success, in essence, SURVIVAL?
Don’t jump down each other’s throats and start name calling; it’s a childish and low act, and you ought to be above it.
‘The Werewolf’ is right. The driving force behind the show, the one thing that makes the pain and suffering of all these people tolerable is Hope. Remember what Dualla and Apollo were talking about just before she died? Allow me to paraphrase: “This is an opportunity for us; instead of chasing a prophecy, we can make our own way to a new beginning, a new world, blah blah blah etc.” I really wish they had gone with that angle. It’s the only logical way to go, if you want to survive, you’ve got to stick together.
honestly, i don’t know what to think anymore. part of me thinks that they haven’t found the real earth, but just a cylon copy of it. the other part of me really wants to believe that adama and laura will use the remaining nukes to put everyone out of their misery. because this is some bullsh*t. morale goes up, morale goes down, population increases, then decreases drastically. fuel and food are rationed, as everyone is now eating green algae – and how do they keep jumping if they’ve got limited fuel? anyone care to clear that up?
i, personally, am getting fed up with it all. i’m going to watch until the end, but unless the writers are able to pull something fantastic out of their asses, i might just have to hit myself over the head and join the grey’s anatomy masses… GOD FORBID!
I’m kinda bummed that Dualla blew her brains out. The object of my infatuation, gone…*sigh*
WHY DEE?!?!?!?!WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!
I’ve not watched the most recent episode, but I did get to see the recent “premiere”…
What happened with D was not only in-character, but completely predictable to us, the viewers.
She’s had to cope through much: love found and lost to a bullet (if not ‘love’, then at least a lover, and possibly still a would-be friend), love found and lost to another woman, the constant threat of death from the Cylons chasing them across the heavens… The ONLY shred of hope was that there was a new home awaiting them; a utopia only written of in holy scripture. (She _was_ from Sagittaron, the “Shakers” of the Colonies… the most strict and religeous of the twelve.)
With that last shred gone… what else was there for her? Aimless wandering through space? A broken marriage (which likely would have been considered a massive sin to her departed family and ancestors)?
She was a soldier, yes. She was strong-willed, quite possibly. But, she was still human, and we ALL have our breaking point. (Some just learn to ignore them, and those people are few and far between… even among soldiers.)
I think what everyone’s missing is that the very fact they care so much is a credit to the show’s effectiveness in pulling in the viewer. Is what’s happening believable? Hells yeah it is. Moreover, the mutiny angle actually makes sense in regards to human nature. In times of trauma, it is a human tendency to look for an aggressor to place the blame for all of one’s ills on. The Cylons, considering the past, are prime candidates for this. These people have no earth, no future, no real hope. But what they do have left is the idea of that the Cylons represent an Other, an alien element outside of themselves which can be attacked, which can be blamed.
In other words, when all hope’s lost, just frag a toaster.
I really get the feeling that whenever the writers get stuck, or run out of ideas, etc., they kill someone off. Look, I’m all for making it up as you go along (if that works for you), but having “Death of a Major Character” be your fail-safe plot twist gets really old really fast.
(Not to mention that I’m kinda angry that no one listen to Roslin a couple seasons ago when she said everyone needed to start having babies. THAT’S THE ONLY WAY TO GET MORE PEOPLE IN A POPULATION CRISI!!!!!!!)
Anyway, I get the felling that I, as a viewer, am just getting dragged along by a choke-chain, ie, I have to follow (they’ve captured me/my attention), but I just keep getting yanked at random points, and just when I’m getting the felling beck in my neck, YANK! they’ve killed someone AGAIN.
They make a lot of good progress, and then undo it. Over, and over, and over again. :P