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		<title>By: Techdragonsoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Techdragonsoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m kind of sitting on the sideline with this, because having been both customer and working coffee shop cashier, I can safely say, it really depends upon the situation. I&#039;ve had quite a few situations, as a cashier, with said &quot;Fur Coat&quot;, although she tends to take on different forms and genders each time. 

However, from my experience, I agree that it’s really that “customer is right” or “just say yes” as they say at our store. A lot of the difficulty comes from a conflict between store policy and common sense. For instance, our store has a policy of locking $20s in a safebox, to keep minimal change in our drawers. Common sense dictates that if all your large bills are locked in a safebox, you can&#039;t break bills larger than maybe a $50 without emptying your drawer. However, common sense has never met our store policy, and we have no sign that says we can&#039;t break $100s, and they in fact encourage us to try, even though my managers give me crap every time I empty out my drawer. Then of course we have the customers, ordering $3.00s worth of coffee, and paying with a hundred dollar bill, and quite shocked and indignant that I can&#039;t break it, because EVERYBODY breaks it, and they don&#039;t ever carry any other cash or credit card on them. :P

You really should beware what customer service folk you piss off though, and if you do remember who they are O-o;. Some of them have long memory spans (I should know). I remember every customer who has ever yelled at me. But you know what’s funny. None of them ever remember me. A couple of them have come back after screaming at me, and they don’t even know who the hell I am. But I know them. And ironically, I treat them exactly the same way I treated them the first time, and they just smile and go away. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kind of sitting on the sideline with this, because having been both customer and working coffee shop cashier, I can safely say, it really depends upon the situation. I&#8217;ve had quite a few situations, as a cashier, with said &#8220;Fur Coat&#8221;, although she tends to take on different forms and genders each time. </p>
<p>However, from my experience, I agree that it’s really that “customer is right” or “just say yes” as they say at our store. A lot of the difficulty comes from a conflict between store policy and common sense. For instance, our store has a policy of locking $20s in a safebox, to keep minimal change in our drawers. Common sense dictates that if all your large bills are locked in a safebox, you can&#8217;t break bills larger than maybe a $50 without emptying your drawer. However, common sense has never met our store policy, and we have no sign that says we can&#8217;t break $100s, and they in fact encourage us to try, even though my managers give me crap every time I empty out my drawer. Then of course we have the customers, ordering $3.00s worth of coffee, and paying with a hundred dollar bill, and quite shocked and indignant that I can&#8217;t break it, because EVERYBODY breaks it, and they don&#8217;t ever carry any other cash or credit card on them. :P</p>
<p>You really should beware what customer service folk you piss off though, and if you do remember who they are O-o;. Some of them have long memory spans (I should know). I remember every customer who has ever yelled at me. But you know what’s funny. None of them ever remember me. A couple of them have come back after screaming at me, and they don’t even know who the hell I am. But I know them. And ironically, I treat them exactly the same way I treated them the first time, and they just smile and go away. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all i want to say is who ever blog that is, i would personally like to thank people like that. ive had several retail jobs and its people like that who treat us with a little respect who make our days. thank you for being human. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all i want to say is who ever blog that is, i would personally like to thank people like that. ive had several retail jobs and its people like that who treat us with a little respect who make our days. thank you for being human. : )</p>
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		<title>By: Agrivated Woodchuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agrivated Woodchuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 19:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work customer support for Dell, and I get it good. Customers by defualt are angry by the time they reach me, I&#039;m only talking to them cause they have a problem. This has a tendancy to create a very stressfull environment but your employeer can go a long way to fixing this and its a message I wanna make clear for everyone. Everyone knows customer cna be idiots and so can servers, hell they can be idiots at each other and create a whole big mess. I&#039;ve dealt with absolutley livid customers because they&#039;ve been sold PCI cards for system with no PCI slots. I&#039;ve seen customers wanting a replacement system because it didn&#039;t ship with microsoft office. I&#039;ve had customers yelling at me because they claimed that I didn&#039;t think they were smart enough to tel a dead HDD when in actual fact they never gave me enough proof to authorize a dispatch. I&#039;ve spent hours with customers banging my head against a desk trying to explain SW and liscensing and how CD keys work. But I&#039;ve remained nice I&#039;ve remained civil and msot of all I&#039;ve remained sane and I&#039;ve gotta thank my employeer for that. They give me direct channels to people who can deal (and have been trained) with angry customers, they provide extra training to make sure you can deal with angry customers. They have plenty of stress reliving activities, theres a pool table in the cafeteria, they hand out sponge objects you can massacre to relive anger about customers. If an employer goes that extra mile for its employees they are able to handel the stupidty of the general pblic with much more grace and ease, its jsut one thing I think accounts and managers get so hung up about &quot;Thats not a cost effective strategy &quot;. Whats not cost effective is loosing buisness due to bad customer being treated badly.

On the same token though I don&#039;t hold my tounge too much, if the customers wrong or way out of left field I don&#039;t skip a beat about telling them what they actually meant to say or what thier actually going to get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work customer support for Dell, and I get it good. Customers by defualt are angry by the time they reach me, I&#8217;m only talking to them cause they have a problem. This has a tendancy to create a very stressfull environment but your employeer can go a long way to fixing this and its a message I wanna make clear for everyone. Everyone knows customer cna be idiots and so can servers, hell they can be idiots at each other and create a whole big mess. I&#8217;ve dealt with absolutley livid customers because they&#8217;ve been sold PCI cards for system with no PCI slots. I&#8217;ve seen customers wanting a replacement system because it didn&#8217;t ship with microsoft office. I&#8217;ve had customers yelling at me because they claimed that I didn&#8217;t think they were smart enough to tel a dead HDD when in actual fact they never gave me enough proof to authorize a dispatch. I&#8217;ve spent hours with customers banging my head against a desk trying to explain SW and liscensing and how CD keys work. But I&#8217;ve remained nice I&#8217;ve remained civil and msot of all I&#8217;ve remained sane and I&#8217;ve gotta thank my employeer for that. They give me direct channels to people who can deal (and have been trained) with angry customers, they provide extra training to make sure you can deal with angry customers. They have plenty of stress reliving activities, theres a pool table in the cafeteria, they hand out sponge objects you can massacre to relive anger about customers. If an employer goes that extra mile for its employees they are able to handel the stupidty of the general pblic with much more grace and ease, its jsut one thing I think accounts and managers get so hung up about &#8220;Thats not a cost effective strategy &#8220;. Whats not cost effective is loosing buisness due to bad customer being treated badly.</p>
<p>On the same token though I don&#8217;t hold my tounge too much, if the customers wrong or way out of left field I don&#8217;t skip a beat about telling them what they actually meant to say or what thier actually going to get.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Respect *IS* something you have to earn.&quot;

I disagree. I agree with the point Anon made. 

First, the &lt;i&gt;attitude&lt;/i&gt; that is often connected with this statement is unnecessary and arrogant.

Yes, one &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; earn the respect of others through their behavior and personal accomplishments. However, this doesn&#039;t mean that you may act like a smug prick over the fact.

Second, The line between respect and courtesy is often very thin. You wouldn&#039;t go to a social function and curse out the host for no reason. That is not only discourteous, but disrespectful as well. You may not know the host, they may have done nothing at all to &quot;earn&quot; your respect, but that doesn&#039;t mean they do not deserve to be treated respectfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Respect *IS* something you have to earn.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree. I agree with the point Anon made. </p>
<p>First, the <i>attitude</i> that is often connected with this statement is unnecessary and arrogant.</p>
<p>Yes, one <i>can</i> earn the respect of others through their behavior and personal accomplishments. However, this doesn&#8217;t mean that you may act like a smug prick over the fact.</p>
<p>Second, The line between respect and courtesy is often very thin. You wouldn&#8217;t go to a social function and curse out the host for no reason. That is not only discourteous, but disrespectful as well. You may not know the host, they may have done nothing at all to &#8220;earn&#8221; your respect, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they do not deserve to be treated respectfully.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Customer service isn’t for everyone.”

In other words, &quot;Bending over and taking it up the arse for shitty customers isn&#039;t for everyone?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Customer service isn’t for everyone.”</p>
<p>In other words, &#8220;Bending over and taking it up the arse for shitty customers isn&#8217;t for everyone?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;that experience makes me believe everyone should be forced to do retail/customer service/food service as a first job.&quot;

I&#039;ve had this exact same idea. I agree, 100%. 

I always make an effort to be friendly, patient and courteous with waitstaff, retail employees and pretty much everyone in the service industries as a result of my own experiences. 

Not that I&#039;m not respectful of other people too, but I make sure to make a point of it with those people, even if I&#039;m not in a great mood I still keep it to myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;that experience makes me believe everyone should be forced to do retail/customer service/food service as a first job.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had this exact same idea. I agree, 100%. </p>
<p>I always make an effort to be friendly, patient and courteous with waitstaff, retail employees and pretty much everyone in the service industries as a result of my own experiences. </p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m not respectful of other people too, but I make sure to make a point of it with those people, even if I&#8217;m not in a great mood I still keep it to myself.</p>
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		<title>By: TigerZahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>TigerZahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just commented a bit ago, but now I feel it neccesary to comment again after the Friday I had yesterday.... Ugh. 

That aside, for the moment, let it be said that not only must employee&#039;s put up with their customers but also people higher up than them on their company food chain! 

In my case, it was my district manager that, on a surprise visit of two hours notice, basically called me and a new(er) co-worker (said co-worker was away, I told her &quot;with all due respect, she just started about a week ago...&quot;. Her reply? She should have had better training and not only was that directed towards my senior co-workers, but towards me since I mostly work the particular seasonal side kiosk she was visiting. Like she learned everything about her job in her first week. *snorts*) stupid because we had forgot to sign an audit sheet on an occassion or two (Gee, after being in the middle of the mall surrounded by customers for hours with a limited walking/standing point...no one would ever become so tired as to forget! What a thought!) and followed our boss&#039;s orders of saying we didn&#039;t have to count out after a cash pull. She was...decent...enough to say that we were mis-informed, but didn&#039;t hesitate to use the tone that made it sound like I was a dog that just soiled the carpet. Scared me shitless, but what can you do? Certiantly not become near tears infront of the customers and act like it&#039;s allergies![/sarcasm]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just commented a bit ago, but now I feel it neccesary to comment again after the Friday I had yesterday&#8230;. Ugh. </p>
<p>That aside, for the moment, let it be said that not only must employee&#8217;s put up with their customers but also people higher up than them on their company food chain! </p>
<p>In my case, it was my district manager that, on a surprise visit of two hours notice, basically called me and a new(er) co-worker (said co-worker was away, I told her &#8220;with all due respect, she just started about a week ago&#8230;&#8221;. Her reply? She should have had better training and not only was that directed towards my senior co-workers, but towards me since I mostly work the particular seasonal side kiosk she was visiting. Like she learned everything about her job in her first week. *snorts*) stupid because we had forgot to sign an audit sheet on an occassion or two (Gee, after being in the middle of the mall surrounded by customers for hours with a limited walking/standing point&#8230;no one would ever become so tired as to forget! What a thought!) and followed our boss&#8217;s orders of saying we didn&#8217;t have to count out after a cash pull. She was&#8230;decent&#8230;enough to say that we were mis-informed, but didn&#8217;t hesitate to use the tone that made it sound like I was a dog that just soiled the carpet. Scared me shitless, but what can you do? Certiantly not become near tears infront of the customers and act like it&#8217;s allergies![/sarcasm]</p>
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		<title>By: Akketra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akketra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the US, servers make minimum wage and in some states, they make half of minimum wage.  Federal min. wage is $5.25 I think.  (I&#039;m in California and it is $6.75 here.)  So for the people who make half of minimum wage, tipping is absolutely necessary or they could not even afford rent/food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the US, servers make minimum wage and in some states, they make half of minimum wage.  Federal min. wage is $5.25 I think.  (I&#8217;m in California and it is $6.75 here.)  So for the people who make half of minimum wage, tipping is absolutely necessary or they could not even afford rent/food.</p>
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		<title>By: Akketra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akketra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have worked both retail and food service for a good amount of time and there is a secret to dealing with these people.  Do not take rudeness.  The minute someone says something rude, assert yourself.  Don&#039;t be rude back, just stern.  And you have to do it right away, if they have any chance to get the upper hand, it is too late.  If you do this, you will earn their respect.  I had a coworker tell me this and found that it worked so well that most of our problem customers asked for me by name and they were always polite to me even though they treated everyone else like crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked both retail and food service for a good amount of time and there is a secret to dealing with these people.  Do not take rudeness.  The minute someone says something rude, assert yourself.  Don&#8217;t be rude back, just stern.  And you have to do it right away, if they have any chance to get the upper hand, it is too late.  If you do this, you will earn their respect.  I had a coworker tell me this and found that it worked so well that most of our problem customers asked for me by name and they were always polite to me even though they treated everyone else like crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Drudge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drudge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked at a KFC where the owner marched into the lobby, and told a woman (who had made a very sweet employee cry) that she wasn&#039;t allowed to treat his employees like that and he never wanted to see her in his store ever again.

God, I love that man.

I can hardly deny that there is quite a bit of poor customer service, but look at what many employees are up against:
*minimum training
*minimum wage
*minimum civility from customers
and most importantly
*minimum civility from employers

Let&#039;s face it, it is really hard to give a crap about customers if your employer doesn&#039;t give a crap about you. I&#039;m not saying that your manager should have to sympatheticly listen to every detail of your love life, but they should be understanding if you&#039;re late because your car died when you are otherwise always on time. This is not always the case.

Nor are people always hired for the right position. It&#039;s like Ananth&#039;s (brief) manager said, “Customer service isn’t for everyone.” Unlike Ananth, some people, for whatever reasons, stay in those jobs. There they&#039;re miserable, and they make both customers and coworkers miserable.

For those you run into who DO do an outstanding job, tell them. Better yet tell their manager. It can make their day. Have you ever called a &quot;How&#039;s my driving?&quot; number and told them someone was doing a good job? Or called back after an issue has been resolved just to say thank you? It&#039;s amazing how you can hear their day get a little better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at a KFC where the owner marched into the lobby, and told a woman (who had made a very sweet employee cry) that she wasn&#8217;t allowed to treat his employees like that and he never wanted to see her in his store ever again.</p>
<p>God, I love that man.</p>
<p>I can hardly deny that there is quite a bit of poor customer service, but look at what many employees are up against:<br />
*minimum training<br />
*minimum wage<br />
*minimum civility from customers<br />
and most importantly<br />
*minimum civility from employers</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, it is really hard to give a crap about customers if your employer doesn&#8217;t give a crap about you. I&#8217;m not saying that your manager should have to sympatheticly listen to every detail of your love life, but they should be understanding if you&#8217;re late because your car died when you are otherwise always on time. This is not always the case.</p>
<p>Nor are people always hired for the right position. It&#8217;s like Ananth&#8217;s (brief) manager said, “Customer service isn’t for everyone.” Unlike Ananth, some people, for whatever reasons, stay in those jobs. There they&#8217;re miserable, and they make both customers and coworkers miserable.</p>
<p>For those you run into who DO do an outstanding job, tell them. Better yet tell their manager. It can make their day. Have you ever called a &#8220;How&#8217;s my driving?&#8221; number and told them someone was doing a good job? Or called back after an issue has been resolved just to say thank you? It&#8217;s amazing how you can hear their day get a little better.</p>
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